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Down with Geometry Dash!! -- a petition and accompanying scenario

Posted by Troisnyx - January 25th, 2017


Do you folks ever remember a time when Geometry Dash really made NG musicians flourish? No, I don't either.

I know I haven't been posting much due to my state of mind and my circumstances, which have made me worse for wear. But now that I am putting up a frontpage post for this, I think it's time to address something that has been eating away at NG for three years now.

We moderators and regulars of the audio portal have had to deal with this... cancer, there is no other way to put it... since Geometry Dash's release. You know the drill, what the vast majority of these users do:

  • They treat off-brand and new artists on Newgrounds like shit.
  • They harrass well-established musicians on Newgrounds, like @Waterflame, @Xtrullor and @ThisIsTheFatRat, pressing them to enable download on ALL their songs or make them available for use on Geometry Dash.
  • They don't treat music as an art form, but instead treat it like some sort of commodity.
  • They flood the Audio Portal with Skrillex, MLG, Five Nights at Freddy's, and a whole host of songs made by others which they do not have rights to.
  • They impersonate well-established artists on Newgrounds and outside, just so that they could have their songs played in Geometry Dash. @Rukkus suffered the same treatment recently, with a user pretending to be him going by the name of @sukkur. We've also had people impersonating Pegboard Nerds, @OfficialPandaEyes, @ThisIsTheFatRat (which prompted him to make a page here on this site), Xtrullor, and even J- and K-pop artists.
  • Once banned, they revenge flag users' legitimate songs (yes!), but of course we moderators can see that what they're doing is a whole load of rubbish and that gets undone very quickly.
  • They fire off abusive comments on people's songs, and passive-agressive messges on people's inboxes. The relevant artists and moderators take the brunt of it, of course.

And why? Because they think they should be able to steal whatever they want just for their five minutes of fun. Of course, all the moderation on Newgrounds is done by humans like you and me -- there are no bots that automatically give revenue to the people and parties whose rights are infringed.

I'll give you an example of the kind of mail we are given on a constant, along with a response I posted, for demonstrative purposes.

 


 

GD user whose name I will not disclose:

Hello! I would like to talk to you about other people's songs in ng. You say that we put other people's songs, and it's not a dump ng for songs that you want to see updates to Geometry Dash. But if not, our team and the GD robtop your website you would not have become popular ever! Your site no one knows except us! The same rukkus xtrullor and express our gratitude. I ask you to unlock and everyone who puts other people's songs. Waiting for your reply!

 

Troisnyx:

One: our site knows TheWeebl, James Lee, Egoraptor, the late Eddsworld, Chluaid, Waterflame, Xtrullor and F-777. We knew Alien Hominid, SexualLobster, Castle Crashers and Meat Boy, a good few of which have become actual MASS-SELLING CONSOLE TITLES. PS4 and Xbox 360. I go to Game and CEX and I still see the hard copies and gift vouchers for Newgrounds creations.

So don't be so fucking pretentious as to think that just because your precious little game has exploded in popularity that NG was never big. I got news for you buddy, NG was achieving big looooong before you guys showed up.

Two: Talking about Waterflame, Ruckus, Xtrullor. Let me give you a scenario.

You make music that you put hours into. Someone approaches you saying "let me put this in my game." You get the fans -- but not the money. RobTop doesn't fucking care about musicians like us. While the ad revenue is all going into HIS pocket, us musicians are getting absolutely ZERO.

Oh and, fans aren't gonna pay the bills. UNLESS they give the musicians their fair share of remuneration (hint: which they WON'T).

I might add that an ever increasing number of musicians here, including Waterflame and Envy, have now taken to performing rights societies in their respective countries to insulate themselves from people like you who think they can use their music for free without consequence, after all the hard work.

I am NOT going to unlock anyone's songs for Geometry Dash if they are not going to comply with NG rules. That is to say, if they didn't make it themselves, it does NOT BELONG HERE. End of story. And if you think RobTop is behind you on this one, you can go tell him to fucking stuff it.

 


 

A few months back, I remember saying in my newsposts that I was determined to start a petition calling for the removal of Geometry Dash from the Play Store and its Apple equivalent.

HERE IS THAT PETITION. SIGN THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

 



EDIT: While I am appreciative of all of you who supported me and others who are frustrated by this, I have an important update. @BrentHeMan in his comments has said that he is working on a solution with RobTop with regards to the mechanics of GD's audio share. I doubt anyone is ready to disclose what it is at the moment, and I understand. I just wish it was all disclosed earlier, and that our frustrations didn't have to explode -- because it's one thing going to the upper echelons, it's another thing when the rest of us are dealing with seemingly futile damage control.

I am going to mull over it, over the night, and probably table some recommendations tomorrow. If we reach an amicable solution (which I sincerely hope we do!), I will gladly void the petition, because the threat that we saw coming to NG will have been averted.

 



EDIT: Comments have told me that the game has effectively been removed from Steam, and some people are saying it's also been removed from the Play Store. I'm glad the petition has sent shockwaves pretty much everywhere, because it took this for not only the GD people to get pissy, but also for the NG staff to actually say SOMETHING with regards to where we are at with GD hotfixes.

Yes, you heard that right, hotfixes. It took something as extreme as a petition, which has been in the pipeline for six months, for things to finally get a fucking move on.

So calm yourselves down, the game is coming back eventually. As for when, it's anyone's guess. Us regulars and mods who deal with the strain day in, day out, consider this a victory of sorts. To be honest, I'm quite pleased. I don't miss it. But if it comes back, then I sincerely hope that it comes back in a way that actually gives respect to the users over here. Don't just think about RobTop and yourselves. Think about us lot too. Screwing people out of ad revenue and $ share which is rightfully theirs would not be allowed on Newgrounds, so it shouldn't be fine on GD either.

Oh and, the vitriol in the comments and on Twitter are proof enough as to just how toxic the GD community really is, it's proof enough for yourselves. And yes, sometimes I am pissed off enough to give off a few uncharitable responses too. At this point, I am sorry ONLY FOR THE UNCHARITABLE RESPONSES. I am not sorry for this petition. I have no regrets.

For all the comments related to my mother, my supposed voluntary lack of virginity or whatevs, there is always gonna be that one user in ten who has a modicum of common sense, even though they disagree. Keep being awesome.


Comments

I understand that the GD community is not only good people and some only care to get their levels popular (and featured) thus abusing the custom songs, but making a revolution out of it aiming to destroy gd fully is a bit too much ಠ_ಠ

okay but seriously, getting the app taken down is nowhere fucking close to the solution and now you have 5000000000 angry screaming up your ass

It has been removed from Steam already, presuming unless there is a hotfix to solve the current problem. YES!!!!

Thanks a lot, now you have basically ruined Newground's reputation to many people.

Don't be so fucking pretentious. NG had its own games, achievements and console successes long before you lot showed up.

Well done, you've singlehandedly destroyed the reputation of newgrounds through your retarded, biased and selfless views. You've destroyed the enjoyment of more than 2 million people, are you happy?

More than, if it means this site is not flooded with whiny, self-entitled people like yourselves, and audio thieves.

So what if NG had its own games you narcissistic fuck, Geometry Dash introduced Newgrounds to many people including me, but you just had to go "fuck it" and ruin their repuation, if only we didnt have narcissistic bastards like you on this planet.

Oh yeah, totally, because people having mental breakdowns from the way you people treat them and their music is totally okay is it?

Who's narcissistic now?

GD had many, MANY chances to improve its reputation over the past three years. Not just RobTop, but also the community. Nobody did anything. Consider it a just wage for 3 years of fruitless damage control.

Welp, seeing all the hatred for some reason. I guess I'll go uninstall one of my favorite games, and never speak on this site again.

/sarcasm

do u realize that on this site theres a button u click that gives u a free download for a song

Better that than having someone profit off our free songs.

We were just trying to help....

How so?

So because, a few people (relative to the playerbase of Geometry Dash) stole songs, that is enough to want to remove the game? Pathetic. I am no moderator, so I cannot claim to know what it's like to deal with this, and it seems to be very stressful to make somebody want to remove a game. This can be resolved in a way without removing the game. I am not smart enough on this topic to suggest a solution, but this is not it.

No worries, your precious little solution is on its way. BrentHeMan and RobTop are working on hotfixes, which, if you read previous comments, you would have known.

But the situation is pathetic indeed. X,000 songs to be deleted A WEEK due to GD-related audio theft at times.

(Before I start this I have to tell you that I'm german and my English isnt the best so sorry for any misspellings)

So I've been playing Geometry Dash since 3 years now, which was way before the newgrounds feature was added. I never knew what was actually going on here on newgrounds and I feel really bad now. I dont get why people cant just live with what they get and have to upload other peoples music or harass artists, that provide free music to them, to use in their game. I do agree with you at almost every point and I know that this community is cancer since I started playing this game. But I always thought it was a great feature to download songs from newgrounds and make a level, or see other people make levels with that song.
I know that the last 3 years must've been really hard for most of the people on newgrounds and that you probably tried to fix that problem for a long time, but I honestly don't think there's much you can do since RobTop never came out of his corner to help trying to fix this obiviously big problem in the past 2 years.
But there's one thing I dislike about this whole thing... it seems like everyone in this community gets thrown into the same "bad guy" position, just because some people can't follow the guidlines. Of course your probably think that the entire Geomtry Dash community is just full of cancerous little kids since almost all the harassments come from Geomtry Dash players, but there are also a lot of normal and nice people in this community and it really feels bad to be called "cancerous" just because I play a game I really like.
Even tho I agree with you in the most parts and I really want this problem to be solved, I'm not going to sign the petition. I think that's understandable since I dont want my favorite game to be deleted. I would totally sign the petition if it wouldn't be about taking down the entire game, but I don't think there's much to do there.

Sorry that I ended this so quickly but I dont have a lot of time right now to list other stuff.
I'm hoping for a response from you!

-Red

Though it may have been taken down, I hear from @BrentHeMan's comments that he and RobTop are working on hotfixes for the game.

Also, @TomFulp is aiming to revolutionise the whole permissions system on NG, so when the game cones back online, there will at least be a bit more decency on all sides.

i think i can safely say i have come to love newgrounds. it is a great site and i 100% agree geometry dash has to get out of it, even with Gmd in my name (i regret it xd). all though geometry dash introduced me to this site, and got me to love heavy metal. however, it did introduce these people you talk about... looks like you won tho, gd is off the Appstore and Steam. it will go back up soon, but i hope for the best for this community, as these people will be gone from it.

Some sense at last!

I hope that when it goes up next, it bears in mind the people whose music is used, as well as this community.

Read through what you've just said. I can assure you that that perfectly describes how you've been acting this whole time, being a defensive little cunt who doesn't think about the effects of their actions, and is only hellbent on getting 'revenge' for what the GD community did. And I think you'll find that i'm not the only person who thinks this. I can assure you that in a couple of hours, you will be bombarded with hate from the little GD cunts who, just like you, have the brain the size of a peanut, and it will not end well for either sides. Now, you will probably come up with some smart-arse reply saying 'oh, well they're only just a bunch of whiny kids like you that are selfish and retarded, as they've destroyed the careers of many musicians, so they deserve it'. My god, People like you make me want to kill myself.

Well then, there ain't no stoppin' ya. You can, in your own words, kill yourself. Not that I advocate it, but hey.

I am actually glad it is gone for now. When the hotfixes come, which they WILL, we will have considered our job done and NG can breathe a massive sigh of relief.

I thought long and hard about this petition and he hate it would give me. In fact, I had thought of it for a few months now. Maybe half a year. I have no regrets. Not anymore.

Also, enjoy the fact you just ruined possibly millions of people's day by removing one of the most popular games to date.

Good day

You know what, I was trying to be as calm as i could maintain being in the last two comments I've posted but you are just the most narcissistic cunt female bitch. You think that it's okay to take down
someone's life work just because of ONE aspect of the game, why don't we take down all your work because your music has one note I don't like in it.
You think that because others are getting angry you have a right to step in and change one thing, Geometry Dash was RobTop's life work and you took it away from him,
You narcissistic cunt. Do you only care about yourself and Newgrounds or something... Is it THAT bad you had to go out of your way to go "this is something I don't like,
get rid of it". If you were really mature, you could've just done something normal human beings with a brain could do called "Ignoring".

@Chillius03 has a reputation for being a blind fanboy. Please don't give him any attention. Thank you.

Also there are some cancers in the community, but thats a given, most of us at least try to be respectful ;3; Also I want you to know that we also spend alot of time on our creations too, you act like we straight up steal your music, give no credit, and spend 5 seconds building a level. My new level took a total of 20 hours to make and verify :/ of course that doesnt mean that you should let every gd player freely use your songs, but I do feel like you should stop generalizing us and treat us with a bit of respect.. Anyway Im sorry if we caused you any trouble, we wont use your songs if you dont want us to.

Use our songs with RESPECT. If you make a level, don't harrass people to make their music available on NG.

We are just as human as you are. That much is clear. There are good GD users, but even they agree shit has hit the fan.

@ax-boi If I was a "blind fan-boy", then how can I see the words you are seeing, yes, I may be a fanboy, but at least I ain't a fucking narcissist like this fucking ugly ass woman.

*shrug*
LET THE HATRED SPILL FORTH!!

this is retarded, stop

There are ways to solve this issue, removing gd however isn't, this is only going to cause mass panic in the community and some people may not even care about what ng is, or even be aware of ngs altogether.

Earlier I said we were just trying to help, and you said how so. Alot of us try to inflate the popularity of the artists we love, and making a level with their songs is just our best way of doing so. Just look at people like hinkik and hyperdimensional, both amazing artists that have blown up recently, and I am very happy for them :) I apologize if the community is harrasing you though, I was not aware of this issue..

Ask @Xtrullor himself for details. Also see the vitriol for yourself in the comments. This is what we mods put up with on a daily basis with the GD community. It is nowt new. I am immunised to it and come back wih uncharitable responses too sometimes.

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