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When you've made art with people who are found out to have done horrible things

Posted by Troisnyx - May 16th, 2020


We live in such an interconnected world, that somewhere along the line, we're going to extend the hand of friendship and creative collaboration with some people... and months down the line, testimonies will emerge about these people doing horrible, reprehensible things.


And when — not if, when — that happens, hindsight is our only friend.


I've had several things happen to my friends and I this week, re: outing some pretty reprehensible actions. Most notably, you'll notice that three of my 2019 audio submissions have been unpublished. It has emerged from multiple sources that the person who sang on all three of those tracks allegedly manipulated and sexually groomed several, and at least one was known to be a minor. Said person also made repeated unwanted advances towards a couple of my close friends. (I have little, if any reason at all, to believe the allegations to be false.)


I have had overt sexual harassment happen to me in the audio forum, which was swiftly dealt with.


Boy, this week we seem to be quite prolific in uncovering snakes in the tall grass, don't we? Those of you who have been interacting with me of late know that I have a fair bit of post-traumatic depression to navigate; everything I have described above is just making it worse.


Sincerely, what do we do in cases like these? I struggle to bear the thought that people can be this horrible — even if it's a sad fact of life. And then there's the question of the art on NG. I would be hard-pressed to remove something tainted by someone whose actions are found out later, if there are multiple NG contributors. On NG there is a culture of "appreciate the art if you can't appreciate the artist," something many of us have had to grapple with when hearing about greats from the distant past and what they did, for example. But I find that action the realistic thing to do: talk about the art as well as the events that have transpired. There is one piece that still has the offender's voice, for example: it's still up, and here I am talking about it and recent events at length. A lot of this stuff was allegedly coming to a head without my knowledge back when I was composing the piece that had the offender's voice. The offender in question isn't mentioned by name, mind you, but here we are.


Now, if I were the only NG contributor — as was the case with those three removed tracks — then the course of action is simple.


At some point some of us have to come face-to-face with demons, whether they be our own or others'. For the few of us who have been through things like what I described above, it's been an incredibly taxing week.


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There isn't a whole heck of a lot I can say to you that I have not already said, but I will say this: I hope the person who allegedly did do all the grooming and manipulation and whatnot is brought to justice, and some form of finality can be reached. Your question "what do we do in cases like these" is, well, almost unanswerable to those who have either not experienced said travesties or not known anyone who has. The only thing that can be done right now is what you stated: talk about the art as well as the artist behind it. Now, I am one of those people willing to separate the art from the artist if I like the art itself, but do not like the artist, but I also agree that there are cases where the artist's actions are so reprehensible that it's nigh impossible to do that within moral reasoning. Just know that you have people you can talk to whenever and if ever you feel you need to. Whatever you don't wish to relay does not have to be relayed, and whatever you do wish to relay is up to you to do so. Stay strong, my friend.

I'm sorry to hear this. Discovering that a friend has been harmful to someone, especially to another friend, is its own brand of heartbreak.

I agree with the maxim of preserving the art, in a general sense. Whether it be their own or part of a collaboration, I do not believe in forced removal of expression, even if the creator's legacy has been altered by their actions.

Your own publications, however, are personal. It is, instead, your creation that has been tainted by someone else's actions. If you do not wish to leave them up, then they should no longer be here. I support that decision.

And I wish you well, through everything. Feel free to reach out.

I too have projects and posts on here that I would rather pretend didn't exist but they're a part of my history now. The thought of banning every single movie that Harvey Weinstein was involved with, or Michael Jackson's songs for that matter is hard to bear. I'd like to look beyond that. Our creations are like children and I think it would be a shame to persecute content simply for having reprehensible parents. You might own rights to a project, but in a sense it's not truly yours anymore. It's not that your project exists for your enjoyment alone because it extends beyond that and spreads joy to others as well. Give it some thought though, it's not an easy decision.

Re: the three fragments I unpublished, I want to enlist someone else — the original, very first voice of a character we created, before this dude took over. I may not have the files but I can certainly recreate them from memory, and with much better mixing this time.

@Whirlguy Oh, and I might add: the three fragments were gifts to a close friend of mine.

Said close friend would eventually discover this dude's awful behaviour and out of respect for her at least, I can't conceivably have the three fragments of music up in their current state.

I can't help but hate this "grooming" person; the worse fact is that it was a friend of yours, and therefore you probably thought he was a good guy beforehand. "What to do in cases like these?" I don't know, there isn't one universal answer; personally, I would cut every contact with said person, and don't stop thinking about him/her until I'm sure justice is brought on him/her. Either way, the emotional pain is massive :(

Done, yeah. I did hold him in high regard. We weren't exactly close, but we at least were on good talking terms...

I hope that his victims find justice and that he actually changes, accepts the weight of what he's done.

Really sorry to hear about this - I completely get why you would do this.

Hope you are staying safe :)

Ah geez, I'm so sorry to hear about this... as someone who's lived through it myself, I can imagine the twist in your stomach is, well, best left unsaid. I hope you're doing well, and I'm here for you any time. If you need someone to talk to, shoot me a PM, and we'll find a way.