Composer, percussionist, artist, self-backing choir.
½ of Two Meeps
¼ of Those Fucking Snowflakes
For commission or session work inquiries, DM me here, or HMU on Discord, or at mail@troisnyx.co.uk
Age 34, she/they
Choir Director
Lancashire, UK
Joined on 6/26/11
Troisnyx, I'm really proud that you've managed to accomplish this.
You're going to get flack from players who can't play their game for a while, and I doubt they will ever care about how some members would abuse the Newgrounds audio portal due to its association with the game.
I'm glad Bren is working with RobTop to get things working together again.
Thank you. Thank you so much. <3
You don't know what you just did
@TroisNyx or however you mention someone
If you go to the G+ GD community, you will see lots of people talking about this thread. And to be honest, the guys in there were never much cancer to begin with. They usually just talked smack about other GD youtubers who were ruining the the community. And to be honest, not giving you guys credit is pretty bad. Not that I am not guilty of this myself, having played Geo dash for a year, but from what I hear, some of the mods are considering enforcing some rules about what is posted in the community (just a rumor, so don't get serious about it) including removing "check out this level" posts. Anyways, I might talk to the mods about telling the community to stop hating.
Another thing. Does newgrounds pay you for getting downloads? I am just wondering if you guys do this audio production as a job, or just a hobby. Love the work that you guys do, and I'm sorry that the community is pirating your music. It's good to know that you guys are working on a solution, and I can't wait for that to be done.
I'm glad that you see some sense.
As for downloads, no. Everything is free EXCEPT when a track is used in a game here on NG, enabling Revenue Share. Now the whole idea is, if I've used a track, and I'm crediting someone, at least a % of the ad share goes to the musician etc.
There are some of us who do it for a living, but most of us do it out of sheer love. I, for one, want to turn this into a profession and it has always been my dream to perform on the big stage, and to score games, and to pass on my craft. A lot of us on NG see this site as a stepping-stone for something greater. Dimrain47 has a AAA job now, as do a few others. I got my first gig scoring a video game through Newgrounds, as did many people here.
The whole point is, @TomFulp started this thing to encourage creativity, indie content, talent. He wanted a free forum, a place where things could be appreciated for what they were, even if sometimes, they could be disgusting to some, or distasteful, whatever. And for 20 or so years, he's still fighting. If people understood the spirit behind this site, and didn't just say "oh but your music is there to be used for free without any consequence whatsoever", that would be most lovely indeed. The day our art is seen as art, and not as a commodity like store-bought cologne, as @EDM364 puts it.
I also don't really get why these GD players are ranting about it. Think about what you have take from them. So what if their songs aren't freaking Skrillex quality? Most composers do this as a hobby, not to show it off at a concert for $20 a ticket. If you want to save your precious game, stop triggering the mods and forcing them to ruin your game. Think about how much GD relies on newgrounds, with the music and everything. We should be thanking newgrounds for their help, and agree to their terms so our game won't become dead.
I wish people actually got this. They weren't the ones that made our community and musicians known. They may have given them a lift, yes, but that's about it.
Argument validated,but,its really necesary to put down the game instead of talk with the developer first? I mean,i play GD,and i do know that this is wrong,but common... I know for you its not fair and either for the others,and i understand,but at least try to be reasonable. Common i bet newgrounds would be. If you are a Mod,i guess you have to be reasonable about these things or problems,you have to show a valid argument, and talk more than anything,the only thing that you are doing right now,is do that the GD community hates you. This is no hate or anything. Just try, please.
We did. For THREE YEARS.
@EDM364 and I tried to contact RobTop over the course of three years across all his platforms. Nothing. I mean, I know his updates are sporadic but this was seriously taking the piss.
It was getting extreme, so what needed to be done? The extreme, of course. It took this petition to finally send shockwaves across the board, not just in the GD community, but across NG staff as well, and they finally sent us a message saying RobTop and BrentHeMan are working on hotfixes for GD.
I saw this when you first posted but decided not to sign, I had no faith at all that it would blow up and actually get something done. Very well done I must say.
I've been personally helping out in reporting GD uploads for months now and honestly getting pretty demoralized at the lack of recognition on the issue outside of a small few mods and users on here.
I don't know how this came about, the removal of the game from Steam, but I am glad. Thank you.
I'm starting to think that a number of us who are really concerned about this issue should sign an open letter of sorts. A concilliatory one, done on video like a sort of Ashens montage?
As a GD player, I understand why you guys did this. I also feel ashamed thar the bad GD players have done so many bad things to your community. But don't worry. We, the good GD players, will always support your decisions and works. I hope GD will be back in the stores soon.
Oh, and if you find any bad GD player trying to ruin NG, just punish them as hard as possible. We don't need bad players in our community.
We will try to be awesome, so that you guys will keep up the good work, and we will enjoy the game, and your page furthermore.
You made the right decision. Don't regret it.
Cheers. - ItzCrunchy -
Thank you.
Take comfort in the fact that the game will come back, because BrentHeMan and RobTop are working on hotfixes as we speak. What they are, I don't know, and neither do the other mods. We don't know when the game will come back, but rest assured that it hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth.
Only thing is now, what shall we do with all those death and rape threats at my door, eh?
Alright,now Three years of trying to contact robtob,i see. Well hell :v
Ok you got what you wanted,but its really necesary to piss off the GD players with posts like YESSSS GD IS DOWN or HEHEHEHEH or idk. (For what ive seen) You try to shwo your argument,you did so the others too. But is it really necesary,you could do that,OR stay in silence enjoying what you did.
Yes, it is. Because otherwise, you won't fucking learn your lesson.
First, I’d like to get something out of the way: I am both a Geometry Dash player and a composer— a serious one, i.e. I’ve been writing music for twice as long as I’ve played this game and I plan on continuing to do so for the rest of my life— and no, these two qualities are not mutually exclusive. So I am certainly not on Geometry Dash’s side here— even though I’ve only been on Newgrounds for around a year, I wouldn’t wish the GD community on anyone— but nonetheless, it’s hard for me not to take your outraged expressions of grievance somewhat personally. And can you blame me? I, an innocent musician, have stolen no audio, have harassed no producers, have commoditized no works of art.
And what I think you fail to understand here is that this is the group of people who are getting outraged. Not those who have abused the audio portal.
To elaborate: most Geometry Dash players don’t steal audio. You can probably figure this out on your own if you’ve seen the download numbers for GD and can do elementary arithmetic, so I’ll skip the math. And those who steal audio? They’re children, or teens (or even adults, maybe), people who couldn’t care less about consequences. I would bet all the money that RobTop has made on Geometry Dash by using Newgrounds music unfairly that they are not the people you describe as “toxic” with respect to their reactions to this whole thing. So when you complain about the misbehavior of the community like this, you’re effectively targeting all the people who haven’t done anything wrong, and thus feel wronged themselves. So congratulations! You’ve just polarized the situation even further while failing to correct the behavior of those who actually did things wrong. Would you like to accept your prize in the form of abject rage from a group of kids immune to reason, or would you like a medal instead?
And what the hell is it with this “Carthago delenda est” tack you’re taking? This game has done wrong things— wrong, yes, I admit! Very wrong! Would not recommend to a friend!— so you decide, “Well, time to reduce this game to dust.” I applaud your marvelous logic and I bet you and Cato the Elder would have been best pals, but seriously, I’m finding it hard to take a logical approach with this because I feel personally offended. I am not one of the criminals, and moreover I am not a kindergartener waddling around and screaming “Gimmie the toy!” as you so brazenly suggest. And neither are most of the community members, so don’t take it out on us.
So feel free to be upset at the thieves and even at RobTop— musicians who have been exploited certainly have the right to do so (although, I admit, I find it strange that you are the one raising the issue of unfair commercial use of works, considering that you’ve been used in GD about as much as Mozart). But at the community? Don’t you see that your frustration is misdirected? Don’t you see that you are making relations so much worse?
I know you won't respond, or I at least I assume you won't. But I hope this makes you think.
No, we should. Because when the majority of audio thefts on Newgrounds come from presumably a handful (which isn't the case anymore, given the vitriol on my NG and Twitter), then those of us mods and regulars who observe the problem daily SHOULD retaliate against your community.
I speak for those of us who have been encumbered by the workload of removing X,000 songs weekly for this.
I speak for @Xtrullor who has been harrassed to death by people who play GD, as well as for the many users who got 0-bombed because their songs didn't sound like Skrillex. Yes, that actually happened.
We tried to contact RobTop for 3 years and nothing happened. We tried to be concilliatory, believe me. Nothing happened. Quite frankly, the lot of you brought this upon yourselves.
Aim still saying,this is not hate,is just my argument and i hope you dont hate me for this,i just want to connect the community with you and the other artists,to fix this problem and not eliminating GD. (Btw) I know its going back tomorrow,But please we could leave the hate,we can? Please Answew.
I would welcome reconciliation between our community and yours. Anything to bring more common sense is welcome. Thank you, and hopefully we can build some bridges.
I would gladly leave the hate. If anything, being pushed to a corner results in this. Again, I am sorry for any uncharitable comments I made. That being said -- I am glad the petition sent shockwaves, because if it didn't, we still would have had to deal with the same problem over and over again without anything.
The way to stop GD song reuploads is simply to ask the original song creator about it. It doesn't really effect anyone other than us. Banning it was going too far tbh
Thank you Trois,hopefully all this hate will end soon,and we will be connected again,the artists and the players,thank you for answering,really,thanks.
Anytime. In the meanwhile, let's give those other users some time to be pissy about this, shall we?
Hopefully we sort this situation out and the warzone that is this comment section calms down, I'm pretty much done looking at the shitstorm of both sides.
Well, really, so are we. I mean, on the one hand you have a community pushed to the edge, and on the other hand, you have a community which won't take NO for an answer. Apart from a few sane people who understand the full problem, both sides won't give. Three years of lack of communication led to this.
I prefer to wait to the end of this war. Once again Thanks.
Constant labor to moderate the audio portal should not have to happen. Zero-bombing because a song doesn't sound like Skrillex is not ok. Getting 0-bombed at all is not ok. Do you think I don't know that, that I've never been 0-bombed before? I don't excuse what Geometry Dash players did— what SOME of them did. What a MINORITY of them did.
Which brings me to the fact that amazingly, you seem to have missed the whole point of my argument— you're attacking innocents. You ended your reply to me with a sentence involving the phrase "the lot of you." I find it hard to imagine that you read what I said, thought about it, and then deliberately regrouped me in with the abusers, but apparently that's what happened, and I'm disappointed that what I said impacted you so little.
Can you blame people for being angry and, in some cases, not taking this logically, when you're attacking them for something they didn't do? Your points are valid, but your rhetoric (in my humble and imperfect opinion) does not reflect that or flatter the logic of your points— and yes, there is logic there.
"[R]etaliate against your community." That's what you said: "your community." Troisnyx, let me remind you that I'm part of YOUR community as well; they're not mutually exclusive. I am not bad just because I play the game. Until you get past the Manichaean aspects of this whole conflict, it will never be resolved.
I might add that my rhetoric with regards to this newspost and the petition came verbatim from @EDM364's moderator log, which she keeps meticulously week in, week out. So it's not just my own rhetoric here -- it's the rhetoric of a number of people who are quite sick of this.
Given the amount of hate, no, I sincerely doubt it's a minority anymore. I'm starting to think the tables are turned on the amount of good users vs the amount of bad apples. Maybe that's just me, but when the entire community bar some is in a murderous and rapey mood, you know something is seriously wrong.
And yes, I humbly admit that there shouldn't be an 'us vs them' mentality. I agree, there are good users, yourself included. A number of them are just getting tired of it, though, especially when they report the workload day in and day out, and try to talk sense into their fellow gamers and fail repeatedly. I feel for them. I feel for the people who got dragged into this entire thing as well.
EDM364 will basically agree with me that the whole purpose of the petition was to send as many shockwaves as possible to everyone concerned. It was only with this petition that we finally got @BrentHeMan and RobTop to give us a response as to what they were doing; three years of contact in the past just didn't go anywhere. With this, it just exploded and rightly so -- we were being seen as bad guys by those people who wanted to upload whatever they wanted.
I don't think I can defend the GD community here, not after what most of them have done on this occasion. You and a few others have shown some common sense regardless of whether we agree or disagree.
Oh and also,if you need help with something trois,i will be active, if you need an argument or something. I will be active,in case you need something.
Thank you. On Twitter and on this newspost, and elsewhere, the war seems to be waged.
If there was ever a time I prayed for the intercession of Saint Jude for a gaming community, this is it right here.
2 things, number one, NEWGROUNDS IS A COPYRIGHT FREE SITE, so what Xtrullor, Waterflame or anyone posts here can be used and heard by anyone, there are some limits, yeah, but when RobTop made the game, there was a logical contract behind letting him use the music from Newgrounds to Geometry Dash. Also the music is ALWAYS credited, every song you download says the artist's name and every single copyrighted song uploaded by a fucking 12 Y/o kid is banned quickly from the game, yet here, those songs stay for anyone to listen. Number two, all these artists have got A LOT of fame thanks to the game, imagine Xtrullor without GD, he would have 1/10 or less of what he has now, same with Waterflame and other artists. The players from the game go to the artists' channels and subscribe and listen to their music, in fact, without the game these artists would have not just less fame but less money too, since YT ad revenue. So yeah, they get no money from their music directly on the game, but many of the players do subscribe to these artists because we like their music. I myself are subscribed to Xtrullor, Waterflame, Dex Arson, etc. I listen to them all the time and I am sure that on the 121 million people that downloaded the game at least 1/100 of them have subscribed to these artists, therefore making them richer in general. So just try to imagine, where would these artists be without Geometry Dash? What I see at least, is that they would be far, far behind.
Waterflame had Velocity Wings, Kawairun 1 and 2, and a host of other games giving him a stable income before Geometry Dash even did.
Newgrounds is NOT copyright-free. I don't know where you got the idea from, but get it out of your thick skull.
We go by a Creative Commons licence. Which specifically states Attribution - NONCOMMERCIAL - Share Alike or No Derivative Works.
So the fact that you are putting noncommercial music into a commercial game like RobTop's basically is breaking the law. Oh, and not only that, profiting off someone else's work, when the music is all part of your experience? I call bullshit.
Also, @Xtrullor is sick of your shit. Your fellow fans have harrassed him every time he says a song isn't going to be available for GD. He just wants to compose music in peace.
Don't even be so fucking pretentious as to say that these artists didn't get fame before Geometry Dash. I tell you most solemnly, they were well known before you even arrived.
Okay.Tri or whatever your name is, give me one exceptional and non-bias reason why Geometry Dash (with over 1 million downloads) should be taken down off the video game market sites? Because you literally caused a war on this site and honestly, don't reply rudely to other's people's comments.
One exceptional reason, here we go.
Newgrounds runs off the Creative Commons licence, which specifically states Attribution - NONCOMMERCIAL - No Derivative Works or Share Alike.
RobTop is allowing a lot of these works to be used in a commercial game.
If paid, he gets the cost of the game.
If free, he gets the ad revenue.
All the musicians whose music is used in it? Apart from maybe Waterflame and one or two others, nope, they don't see a single penny. Plus, RobTop is breaking the law by using noncommercial songs in a commercial game, thus breaking the terms of the CC licence!
And to say absolutely nothing about the shit us mods and regulars have been given. I'm not talking about bias here, I am talking about legit experiences that @EDM364 went through on her moderators' log. The post that I put here, and in that petition, were word for word, the experiences SHE went through. Every mod here goes through the same thing.
This post is downright toxic and hateful, with not much proof to back up your claims. Thanks for generalizing the entire GD community fucknut. You are screwing this game over for sooooo many people who respect Newgrounds and who aren't cancer. Yes, there are bad people, but there are bad community in your community too. Was this not considered? And your point against users uploading songs that they don't own is 100% invalid. Moderators remove stolen songs from the audio portal. So yes, a couple people upload songs they don't have permission to upload, but if Newgrounds mods don't do a good job of removing them, that's not on GD. People other than this community post things like that too. Another claim of yours that makes no sense is the fact that you think RobTop is guilty of "theft". Do you think he wants the community doing this? No. And it's not like he can control it either, whether you believe that or not. He probably does care about the musicians unlike your assumption. And how about that GD player who messaged you? He was *very* polite and you replied to him as such an asshole. It wasn't necessary to treat him like that after he was so nice. You also say that GD is not helping Newgrounds flourish. The truth is, it probably is. Because of the millions who play this game, your artists get a LOT more publicity and fame, so while it may not be the only reason it is still up, it definitely has helped your website a lot. You say that the musicians are harassed to let players use the music in their levels, but they don't have to give in. If your site was as successful as you imply, then your artists wouldn't need the fans over the revenue ("Someone approaches you saying 'let me put this in my game.' You get the fans -- but not the money.")
You talk about us not respecting anyone on Newgrounds but in writing this post you have successfully shown yourself as a hypocrite. You have generalized the entire damn community and didn't think rationally about the situation, showing disrespect to the GD community. I understand your concerns but I would much rather have a valid argument take down a massive game rather than this venomous statement.
Yes, the community I vouch for has problems. But so does yours. And it's not fair to think of everyone who plays this game as toxic, entitled trash.
You're just as venomous as you claim me to be, hypocrite of your own making.
The site is not responsible for ad revenue share that comes off Geometry Dash. It's your pwecious widdle RobTop. Who broke the law by breaking the Creative Commons NONCOMMERCIAL licence by having them played in a commercial game.
Plus, the vitriol that you and others have spewed only prove my point about just how toxic your community is. Newgrounds didn't sign up to be a partner of Geometry Dash to have pissy bastards like you lot. We signed up so that artists would be treated with the respect they deserved. Instead, they were not respected.
Why don't you ask @EDM364? What I wrote in that post was verbatim from her moderators' log. She is transparent about these things.
Or why don't you ask @Xtrullor about how your fellow fans harrassed him to the point that he actually contemplated leaving NG just because he wanted to make music in peace?
Nope, none of that eh?
GdChorizoX
I've been playing Geometry Dash for since 2 years, and in this time I find awesome music, experience and people, the Newgrounds producers need to know that Geometry Dash helps them so much, i never known Xtrullor, NightKilla, Waterflame, ForeverBound . ..etc All the artists that appear in this game are very unique, and make fantastic music, but this, this is really innecesary, for Newgrounds people, and Geometry Dash players.
Also sorry for my english, i'm a spanish player and i really want to play this game more, i have spanish and english friends.
All thanks to Geometry Dash.