Eninja 2017-01-30 19:19:55

Before anyone takes on side or another, try looking at each and every side of the issue. Most people are only looking at one side of the issue, and not taking into consideration what you're suggesting, which is, for all those lacking in eloquence, the death of a widely popular game.

Ironically, revenue was mentioned somewhere in this, but on a site like Newgrounds you don't get revenue. You agree to some (rather strict) terms of use and agreement that nobody reads all the way, and then you deal with it. People download it, or record, or use it in videos or games or, yes, GD levels. And some are fine with it. And yes, the GD community is really shitty, and yes, those who prohibit use of songs in GD will get railed at and hated on, but that's life. You can't please everyone. One thing they have never done is called for the complete removal of something.

Now, maybe one can get RobTop to pay a monthly stipend or something to newgrounds that is distributed among the artists who make these things. It'd help get rid of those oversexualized ads that pop up on the side. But then everyone who doesn't get money gets mad. No quarter. There is very little that can work, and sometimes you got to deal with it.

But to be honest, I think at this point the best thing to do is either let Rob and the NG staff work it out, or get rid of both GD and NG. And stop this god damn thread of hate and counter hate. Yes, I'm late, but I had to say something on the topic.

GdChorizoX 2017-01-30 19:22:23

I've been playing Geometry Dash for since 2 years, and in this time I find awesome music, experience and people, the Newgrounds producers need to know that Geometry Dash helps them so much, i never known Xtrullor, NightKilla, Waterflame, ForeverBound . ..etc All the artists that appear in this game are very unique, and make fantastic music, but this, this is really innecesary, for Newgrounds people, and Geometry Dash players.

Also sorry for my english, i'm a spanish player and i really want to play this game more, i have spanish and english friends.

All thanks to Geometry Dash.

TurkeyOnAStick 2017-01-30 19:23:12

Troisnyx, I'm really proud that you've managed to accomplish this.

You're going to get flack from players who can't play their game for a while, and I doubt they will ever care about how some members would abuse the Newgrounds audio portal due to its association with the game.

I'm glad Bren is working with RobTop to get things working together again.

troPSDNUORGWEN 2017-01-30 19:35:24

You don't know what you just did

Buttrbro1 2017-01-30 19:43:37

@TroisNyx or however you mention someone

If you go to the G+ GD community, you will see lots of people talking about this thread. And to be honest, the guys in there were never much cancer to begin with. They usually just talked smack about other GD youtubers who were ruining the the community. And to be honest, not giving you guys credit is pretty bad. Not that I am not guilty of this myself, having played Geo dash for a year, but from what I hear, some of the mods are considering enforcing some rules about what is posted in the community (just a rumor, so don't get serious about it) including removing "check out this level" posts. Anyways, I might talk to the mods about telling the community to stop hating.

Another thing. Does newgrounds pay you for getting downloads? I am just wondering if you guys do this audio production as a job, or just a hobby. Love the work that you guys do, and I'm sorry that the community is pirating your music. It's good to know that you guys are working on a solution, and I can't wait for that to be done.

Buttrbro1 2017-01-30 19:49:08

I also don't really get why these GD players are ranting about it. Think about what you have take from them. So what if their songs aren't freaking Skrillex quality? Most composers do this as a hobby, not to show it off at a concert for $20 a ticket. If you want to save your precious game, stop triggering the mods and forcing them to ruin your game. Think about how much GD relies on newgrounds, with the music and everything. We should be thanking newgrounds for their help, and agree to their terms so our game won't become dead.

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 19:58:53

Argument validated,but,its really necesary to put down the game instead of talk with the developer first? I mean,i play GD,and i do know that this is wrong,but common... I know for you its not fair and either for the others,and i understand,but at least try to be reasonable. Common i bet newgrounds would be. If you are a Mod,i guess you have to be reasonable about these things or problems,you have to show a valid argument, and talk more than anything,the only thing that you are doing right now,is do that the GD community hates you. This is no hate or anything. Just try, please.

Jackho 2017-01-30 20:01:04

I saw this when you first posted but decided not to sign, I had no faith at all that it would blow up and actually get something done. Very well done I must say.

I've been personally helping out in reporting GD uploads for months now and honestly getting pretty demoralized at the lack of recognition on the issue outside of a small few mods and users on here.

ItzCrunchy 2017-01-30 20:01:38

As a GD player, I understand why you guys did this. I also feel ashamed thar the bad GD players have done so many bad things to your community. But don't worry. We, the good GD players, will always support your decisions and works. I hope GD will be back in the stores soon.
Oh, and if you find any bad GD player trying to ruin NG, just punish them as hard as possible. We don't need bad players in our community.
We will try to be awesome, so that you guys will keep up the good work, and we will enjoy the game, and your page furthermore.
You made the right decision. Don't regret it.
Cheers. - ItzCrunchy -

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 20:11:36

Alright,now Three years of trying to contact robtob,i see. Well hell :v
Ok you got what you wanted,but its really necesary to piss off the GD players with posts like YESSSS GD IS DOWN or HEHEHEHEH or idk. (For what ive seen) You try to shwo your argument,you did so the others too. But is it really necesary,you could do that,OR stay in silence enjoying what you did.

Miyolophone 2017-01-30 20:11:41

First, I’d like to get something out of the way: I am both a Geometry Dash player and a composer— a serious one, i.e. I’ve been writing music for twice as long as I’ve played this game and I plan on continuing to do so for the rest of my life— and no, these two qualities are not mutually exclusive. So I am certainly not on Geometry Dash’s side here— even though I’ve only been on Newgrounds for around a year, I wouldn’t wish the GD community on anyone— but nonetheless, it’s hard for me not to take your outraged expressions of grievance somewhat personally. And can you blame me? I, an innocent musician, have stolen no audio, have harassed no producers, have commoditized no works of art.
And what I think you fail to understand here is that this is the group of people who are getting outraged. Not those who have abused the audio portal.
To elaborate: most Geometry Dash players don’t steal audio. You can probably figure this out on your own if you’ve seen the download numbers for GD and can do elementary arithmetic, so I’ll skip the math. And those who steal audio? They’re children, or teens (or even adults, maybe), people who couldn’t care less about consequences. I would bet all the money that RobTop has made on Geometry Dash by using Newgrounds music unfairly that they are not the people you describe as “toxic” with respect to their reactions to this whole thing. So when you complain about the misbehavior of the community like this, you’re effectively targeting all the people who haven’t done anything wrong, and thus feel wronged themselves. So congratulations! You’ve just polarized the situation even further while failing to correct the behavior of those who actually did things wrong. Would you like to accept your prize in the form of abject rage from a group of kids immune to reason, or would you like a medal instead?
And what the hell is it with this “Carthago delenda est” tack you’re taking? This game has done wrong things— wrong, yes, I admit! Very wrong! Would not recommend to a friend!— so you decide, “Well, time to reduce this game to dust.” I applaud your marvelous logic and I bet you and Cato the Elder would have been best pals, but seriously, I’m finding it hard to take a logical approach with this because I feel personally offended. I am not one of the criminals, and moreover I am not a kindergartener waddling around and screaming “Gimmie the toy!” as you so brazenly suggest. And neither are most of the community members, so don’t take it out on us.
So feel free to be upset at the thieves and even at RobTop— musicians who have been exploited certainly have the right to do so (although, I admit, I find it strange that you are the one raising the issue of unfair commercial use of works, considering that you’ve been used in GD about as much as Mozart). But at the community? Don’t you see that your frustration is misdirected? Don’t you see that you are making relations so much worse?
I know you won't respond, or I at least I assume you won't. But I hope this makes you think.

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 20:14:03

Aim still saying,this is not hate,is just my argument and i hope you dont hate me for this,i just want to connect the community with you and the other artists,to fix this problem and not eliminating GD. (Btw) I know its going back tomorrow,But please we could leave the hate,we can? Please Answew.

troPSDNUORGWEN 2017-01-30 20:24:51

The way to stop GD song reuploads is simply to ask the original song creator about it. It doesn't really effect anyone other than us. Banning it was going too far tbh

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 20:24:59

Thank you Trois,hopefully all this hate will end soon,and we will be connected again,the artists and the players,thank you for answering,really,thanks.

AquatexGD 2017-01-30 20:29:31

Hopefully we sort this situation out and the warzone that is this comment section calms down, I'm pretty much done looking at the shitstorm of both sides.

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 20:33:32

I prefer to wait to the end of this war. Once again Thanks.

Miyolophone 2017-01-30 20:37:52

Constant labor to moderate the audio portal should not have to happen. Zero-bombing because a song doesn't sound like Skrillex is not ok. Getting 0-bombed at all is not ok. Do you think I don't know that, that I've never been 0-bombed before? I don't excuse what Geometry Dash players did— what SOME of them did. What a MINORITY of them did.
Which brings me to the fact that amazingly, you seem to have missed the whole point of my argument— you're attacking innocents. You ended your reply to me with a sentence involving the phrase "the lot of you." I find it hard to imagine that you read what I said, thought about it, and then deliberately regrouped me in with the abusers, but apparently that's what happened, and I'm disappointed that what I said impacted you so little.
Can you blame people for being angry and, in some cases, not taking this logically, when you're attacking them for something they didn't do? Your points are valid, but your rhetoric (in my humble and imperfect opinion) does not reflect that or flatter the logic of your points— and yes, there is logic there.
"[R]etaliate against your community." That's what you said: "your community." Troisnyx, let me remind you that I'm part of YOUR community as well; they're not mutually exclusive. I am not bad just because I play the game. Until you get past the Manichaean aspects of this whole conflict, it will never be resolved.

HeroShunnen 2017-01-30 20:50:17

Oh and also,if you need help with something trois,i will be active, if you need an argument or something. I will be active,in case you need something.

jalopezlag 2017-01-30 20:54:13

2 things, number one, NEWGROUNDS IS A COPYRIGHT FREE SITE, so what Xtrullor, Waterflame or anyone posts here can be used and heard by anyone, there are some limits, yeah, but when RobTop made the game, there was a logical contract behind letting him use the music from Newgrounds to Geometry Dash. Also the music is ALWAYS credited, every song you download says the artist's name and every single copyrighted song uploaded by a fucking 12 Y/o kid is banned quickly from the game, yet here, those songs stay for anyone to listen. Number two, all these artists have got A LOT of fame thanks to the game, imagine Xtrullor without GD, he would have 1/10 or less of what he has now, same with Waterflame and other artists. The players from the game go to the artists' channels and subscribe and listen to their music, in fact, without the game these artists would have not just less fame but less money too, since YT ad revenue. So yeah, they get no money from their music directly on the game, but many of the players do subscribe to these artists because we like their music. I myself are subscribed to Xtrullor, Waterflame, Dex Arson, etc. I listen to them all the time and I am sure that on the 121 million people that downloaded the game at least 1/100 of them have subscribed to these artists, therefore making them richer in general. So just try to imagine, where would these artists be without Geometry Dash? What I see at least, is that they would be far, far behind.

GD-GeraldtheKid 2017-01-30 20:55:48

Okay.Tri or whatever your name is, give me one exceptional and non-bias reason why Geometry Dash (with over 1 million downloads) should be taken down off the video game market sites? Because you literally caused a war on this site and honestly, don't reply rudely to other's people's comments.