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Annette Walker @Troisnyx

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This post is downright toxic and hateful, with not much proof to back up your claims. Thanks for generalizing the entire GD community fucknut. You are screwing this game over for sooooo many people who respect Newgrounds and who aren't cancer. Yes, there are bad people, but there are bad community in your community too. Was this not considered? And your point against users uploading songs that they don't own is 100% invalid. Moderators remove stolen songs from the audio portal. So yes, a couple people upload songs they don't have permission to upload, but if Newgrounds mods don't do a good job of removing them, that's not on GD. People other than this community post things like that too. Another claim of yours that makes no sense is the fact that you think RobTop is guilty of "theft". Do you think he wants the community doing this? No. And it's not like he can control it either, whether you believe that or not. He probably does care about the musicians unlike your assumption. And how about that GD player who messaged you? He was *very* polite and you replied to him as such an asshole. It wasn't necessary to treat him like that after he was so nice. You also say that GD is not helping Newgrounds flourish. The truth is, it probably is. Because of the millions who play this game, your artists get a LOT more publicity and fame, so while it may not be the only reason it is still up, it definitely has helped your website a lot. You say that the musicians are harassed to let players use the music in their levels, but they don't have to give in. If your site was as successful as you imply, then your artists wouldn't need the fans over the revenue ("Someone approaches you saying 'let me put this in my game.' You get the fans -- but not the money.")
You talk about us not respecting anyone on Newgrounds but in writing this post you have successfully shown yourself as a hypocrite. You have generalized the entire damn community and didn't think rationally about the situation, showing disrespect to the GD community. I understand your concerns but I would much rather have a valid argument take down a massive game rather than this venomous statement.
Yes, the community I vouch for has problems. But so does yours. And it's not fair to think of everyone who plays this game as toxic, entitled trash.

You're just as venomous as you claim me to be, hypocrite of your own making.

The site is not responsible for ad revenue share that comes off Geometry Dash. It's your pwecious widdle RobTop. Who broke the law by breaking the Creative Commons NONCOMMERCIAL licence by having them played in a commercial game.

Plus, the vitriol that you and others have spewed only prove my point about just how toxic your community is. Newgrounds didn't sign up to be a partner of Geometry Dash to have pissy bastards like you lot. We signed up so that artists would be treated with the respect they deserved. Instead, they were not respected.

Why don't you ask @EDM364? What I wrote in that post was verbatim from her moderators' log. She is transparent about these things.

Or why don't you ask @Xtrullor about how your fellow fans harrassed him to the point that he actually contemplated leaving NG just because he wanted to make music in peace?

Nope, none of that eh?

"Okay, let me put it from our side of the story.
Do you all care about the fact that us musicians are pouring in hours of work, only to be greeted with a bunch of kids who think that if a song is not as good as Skrillex, they can 0-bomb it all they want?
Do you all care about the fact that we don't even get a single penny of ad revenue share or even the proceeds from our plays on Geometry Dash?
Do you care that some of our songs aren't even meant to be used commercially, and the fact that they are used in this game actually breaks the law?
Do you care that people are actually legit doing the things that they are doing, or even the vitriol that you see on your page?
I'm sorry, we have dealt with this for three years. It's time this changed."

First thing: Did you even bother reading my entire comment?

"Do you all care about the fact that us musicians are pouring in hours of work, only to be greeted with a bunch of kids who think that if a song is not as good as Skrillex, they can 0-bomb it all they want?"

Yes, there is an entire forum of people who care (I'd recommend ignoring the psychos) http://gdforum.freeforums.net/

"Do you all care about the fact that we don't even get a single penny of ad revenue share or even the proceeds from our plays on Geometry Dash?"

Lemme sum this up: You pay once for GD unless moving to another platform.

Full version: No ads, pay once unless you move to another account/phone/sim card

The Lite Version: There are ads, but you can't play online levels that use the songs on NG. And before you mention the songs used in the official levels, those artists gave full permission for RobTop to use their songs, and have expressed the fact that they love Geometry Dash. (F-777, Waterflame, Dj-Nate, MDK etc.)

Geometry Dash Meltdown: GDM is basically just GD Lite Version, but with three official levels, and that's all.

Geometry Dash World: I have no argument for this.

Also, if you mean Newgrounds doesn't earn a penny from us GD players, then I can vouch for the fact that it's probably because most of us simply can't cause we don't have money.

If you mean the artists don't earn money, then I can guarantee that's something you made up in your head. I would even go as far to say that GD managed to help certain song artists get out there and become somewhat popular, Hinkik is a major one, I love his style of music and I'm thankful that Krazyman50 managed to get his songs into the community. Me as well as many of my friends discovered great songs and artists (F-777, Xtrullor, and TFR were the biggest ones for me and my friends) because of Geometry Dash, so I can guarantee that artists definitely benefit from us in some way shape or form.

"Do you care that some of our songs aren't even meant to be used commercially, and the fact that they are used in this game actually breaks the law?"

Actually, here's the thing, the songs used in the game are almost always 100% legal. Newgrounds and Robert Topala made a LEGAL agreement about the songs. Even still, there's another thing that protects GD even further, the licensing terms. If a song says something a long the lines of "You may not use this song for any commercial purposes period." then RobTop has probably banned the song for use on GD. He has that kind of power, and if he hasn't banned the song then its only a matter of time before he does.

On a sidenote, yes, it bothers me that the community is uploading copyrighted and illegal songs.

"Do you care that people are actually legit doing the things that they are doing, or even the vitriol that you see on your page?"

(I don't commonly use Newgrounds, so I'm not exactly sure what a vitriol is) And yes, like I said in my previous statement, I disagree with the people uploading illegal music.

A matter of time = three years and nothing was done? It does bother me that we haven't even heard from him until AFTER this petition was actually put up. I mean, what does that tell you? @NekoMika knows about his sporadic updates but that was seriously taking the piss.

Waterflame still isn't as popular as TheWeebl, whose followers went into the tens of thousands before he did, good example right there. And besides, many of the new artists who do try something are shot down before they can even do anything about it. It doesn't matter who they are, if they aren't as good as Skrillex, they can prepare for an abusive comment and 0-bombs. It pains me to say this, but this has actually happened.

The Lite version has ads, which like in any app, generate revenue. And this brings up a question, what would happen if the custom levels were removed entirely and people finally knew where their songs were going? And I say 'people', I mean people apart from the obvious favourites. Fans and exposure don't pay the bills, unless those fans actually contribute something in the way of Bandcamp purchases etc., which is definitely true with the favourites, but everyone else is practically screwed.

The legal agreement was meant to be binding insofar as people actually asked permission for these songs to be used in Geometry Dash. The intention, the spirit behind the agreement, was that NG artists wouldn't be screwed out of the CC licence when someone used their song without permission in Geometry Dash (as can often be the case). So really, the law is still being broken on this one.

Vitriol is a common-ish word, referring to hate spewed out in comments. It also refers to some bitter gall-like substance.

I am glad that you laid down as much as you knew for me, and I hope these address the concerns.

They were known yes... But how many subs have they earned from GD? How many views? A fucking lot. Also, I'm not on RobTop's side, in fact you shouls sue him rather than the game. I am on the community's side, cause most of us people on the community have done nothing wrong so it shouldn't need to affect us. I feel like a direct demand on RobTop would fix the problem, since he did technically break the law and stuff.

I still feel that most of the community members have done nothing wrong and shouldn't have to pay for what RobTop and squeaky 12 year olds did. I understand Xtrullor was harassed too, I'm sorry for that, I honestly love his music and would never insult him. I think that is he was more chill about everything he would not be insulted as much, take the example of F-777 and Dex Arson, they get barely any hate. I just hope that you see why Geometry Dash should not be removed, rather fixing legal issues with the people involved.

PS: I had always thought NG was copyright free, thanks for clearing it out.

I mentioned several times over the course of my Twitter interactions and with people here that @BrentHeMan and RobTop are working on hotfixes. I don't know when it will get into the thick skulls of your fellow GD fans.

We contacted RobTop several times over the course of the last three years hoping for more than just damage control. We got nothing whatsoever. And it took this petition to finally get the upper echelons off their backsides and finally tell us that something is being done. We didn't even know about it. @TomFulp doesn't want GD removed. I perfectly understand him. But he was scared shitless about this site being DMCAed out of existence.

Without bringing a class action (where we wouldn't even know which jurisdiction to fall under, probably US law if I'm honest, and I'm not the person to bring it up because I'm in the UK for crying out loud), the best thing to do would be to flag it and have it removed. A petition was the best way to send those shockwaves, and shockwaves they indeed were. It's like, all of a sudden, everyone was whipped into standing up straight.

Comment #2-
No, I'm not venomous, I'm making some valid points. No, I did not spew hate like you said I did. I'm not a "pissy bastard" as you call me because I had the courage to step up and make a real comment as opposed to many people here. It might have been a bad call for RobTop to allow custom songs to be used, but he himself used no song in a custom level without permission (if I'm wrong in thinking that's not illegal correct me). Xtrullor didn't need to put up with any harassment and could have, you know, ignored it. I already addressed this in my previous comment. And again, you are generalizing the entire community as cancer. Do you really not believe people such as me, and thousands, maybe millions of other people respect the artists and don't harass the artists? Apparently not, since your comments make it look like you truly believe we're all little bitches.

Considering just how much we have had to deal with this day by day, it does seem so, and the good ones seem few and far between. I'm sorry that it's come to this, but it's the truth.

I don't know exactly what hate you are getting, since I'm not you, so I could be wrong here— but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most people expressing hate are either angry at some implied (or explicit) generalizations, or at the fact that a game they love are being taken down, both of which are born from this petition or similar sentiments elsewhere. In either case, this is not a minority, you're right— it's a majority. But while hate may reflect a weakness in character, it does not reflect whether or not they are audio portal abusers. It may indicate whether they are harassing users like Xtrullor about GD, but I still don't understand the wrongs committed there since I have not seen or contributed to them, so I don't think I'm qualified to talk about that; I'll take your word for it that it happens.
In any case, if your point was to freak everyone out maximally, then well done, I guess... I certainly can't argue that you haven't done that. I respect your explosion at being considered the bad guys, because you're not (we're not, I guess I should say). But just consider that Geometry Dash players feel exactly like that right now— that they're being called the bad guys without good reason.
There's no solution to this now, since the damage has already been done. But one of the two sides, since that's what it's become, is going to have to take the high road once again, and my gut feeling is that it won't be GD (looking at the responses here; though I agree with some of the sentiment, they get pretty rude). I encourage everyone who has expressed anti-GD feelings to be less personal about it, now that you've done your thing here, and everything might get more civil. (And same to GD users; I had hoped you might morally rise to the occasion, but that hasn't exactly happened.)
I hope I've shed some light on why the two-side perspective is bad. And I hope it will end. Preferably soon.

The hate I have been getting from your fellow fans is in the form of death and rape and doxxing threats. Classy.

I'm glad everyone did freak out because in a way, it got things done. All one needs to do, like you said, is take the high road. There are thankfully some people who see sense, but one person came to intimidate me on Skype by bullying me into submission, telling me this is a fucking big community, and that if I mess with the bull, I get the horns. I told him straight, I don't stand for bullshit. Ever. Not after the way NG has been treated in general.

I too, hope this mess will end. The idea of the agreement was never for NG to be a weaker partner, especially since it seems to have been beaten into submission.

Holy shit it actually happened. This is so hilarious.

I know right? Pity no one else has to deal with death and rape threats.

If you do not agree with users loading their creations and you prefer to eliminate a platform where thousands or millions of people from around the world play.
Please close your account and do not affect other people

Being sincere I knew newgrounds for geometry dash, but now being an artist I just started on this, it's true several points that you say, I'm particularly angry that people think newgrounds even made for Geometry Dash because it's not like that, NG is Done for artists, I'm also annoyed by the fact that I see people who upload other works, just to play, really that stupid, now looking for young talents I find that 9 of 10 songs, they are not them by the users who Upload them, now I've seen people who cut the songs to use them in GD, I hope that the players and stupid people who upload songs to NG without the agreement of the artists will stop. I think this time I will give back to GD, but I hope this is the only thing that I have to take away against you, is the fact of the tweet, since people take that as a mockery, but I agree.

PD: I speak spanish and use a Translator

Finally, someone who sees what Newgounds is actually for!

Though yes I do see valid points on your post on how players bug the actual hell outta music creators, dumps for terrible songs and stealing work. I do not think the whole community needs to pay for the problem. Instead you be strict as hell and the mods give no warnings and go to account close. Unless they have made original work in which case remove the song and give a single warning. I obviously have no clue on the punishment (never saw it in the rules) but some people get layed off easy for what ever reasons. [I honestly think we should move to sound cloud but thats my opinion.] However us respectful players that don't try to add trash or copyrighted songs to New Grounds. I love this site and one of the best parts of at least one of my favorite indie games made. I hope this tells at least a little.

SON OF BITCH LIKE A PUPPY YOU WANT TO REMOVE GD FROM THE PLATFORMS YOU ARE JODIDLY CRAZY IF YOU THINK THIS IS A VERY POPULAR GAME HAVE MORE THAN 40,000 FANS LIKE RAYOS YOU THINK THAT WITH YOUR PETITION YOU GET TO EXCEED THAT YOUR PETITION HAS 149 FIRMANTES AND THE PETITION OF NOT ELIMINATE GD HAS 5,607 SIGNING AS A PUSSY YOU WANT TO OVERCOME THAT PUTO SON OF BITCH ESCORIA WITCH PENDEJO LOCO MAMARACHO

Ok, This is, a bit exagerated, isn't it?
Let's see, wouldn't it be better to block the access?
If you think about it, this type of things could be avoided by the admins or mods, because they ARE SUPPOSED to prevent this situations, aren't they?
Do you all really think that 200 people are enough to close a big game such as Geometry Dash, one of the most paid games?

This is hes letter to Apple and Google from hes petition

Letter to
Google, Inc
Apple
Apple, Google: REMOVE GEOMETRY DASH FROM YOUR STORES

A rock found 3000 ft under the sea would write something better.
But considering you want the game dead cause 1 ascpect you dont like. You are more retarded than a rock

Really so much drama for this?
I say, because you hide in "Theft of content" or "Undue profits" if this is not arranged as such.
This goes for Dj's.
If you do not want your songs to be misused because they do not better remove them and leave a sharp message on their social networks? After all, they never answer or pay close attention to their fans outside newgrounds or youtube.
It is hypocritical to sign an idiotic request and act like some crazy bitches for their songs.
Xtrullor, Waterflame, FatRat.
I know how much it costs to create a song, I've tried it billions of times and it never came out, even so, I do not spend the time complaining as a stupid bitch because I do not get out or it's difficult. We know it is VERY DIFFICULT.
I forgot to mention that you (with the exception of Waterflame) said that we could always use their songs with due respect. But hey, not everything is what is shown on paper.
For you, what's bothering you about Geometry Dash? They deleted your account? Could not buy the 2.1? Please, more ridiculous you can not be. If you mean the community is cancer, I admit it and I say it at the top of my lungs. It is a cancer that should be eradicated, but not for that you will blame the game.
To conclude, RubRub does not profit from the songs, it does so for its game. If you have tried it you will know that there are no announcements and all the music is free. Do not be a lame bitch.

What good does this do for you? Nothing, what you have in store is a shitstorm because what you've done is outrage millions of GD members, and now NG is getting shit for it for no reason! You better watch out, because once people find out that you got it taken down, they are going to raid your ass! Anyways, what I wanted to say is that this does nothing for you in any way possible, again, all it can get you is a raid and probably a ban from NG. Glad we had this talk

Reply to me you little shit, I want to see your defense.

You sir, are by far, the most hypocritical dumbass I have ever seen. Not only have you generalized the WHOLE ENTIRE GD Community, but you also contradicted yourself by removing GD. There is such a way to take care of this Peacefully. Taking down the whole fucking game is absolutely hypocritical.

Lemme quote this:"They treat off-brand and new artists on Newgrounds like shit."
I may not have seen the hate, but the support that these artists get are obviously blowing away the "shit". This "harassment" I am yet to see. I may not be a moderator, nor anyone who is a professional in this situation, but I can say, without a doubt, you contradict your self. How do you go from "They treat off-brand and new artists on Newground like shit." to "You make music that you put hours into. Someone approaches you saying "let me put this in my game." You get the fans -- but not the money. RobTop doesn't fucking care about musicians like us. While the ad revenue is all going into HIS pocket, us musicians are getting absolutely ZERO."

You put "You get the fans -- but not the money." What happened to being treated like shit? Also, Waterflame, Xtrullor, ThisisTheFatRat( and etc.) use YouTube fucking ad-revenue to get money, so this part makes no sense.

You are also Generalizing the whole goddamn community. I am a GD player, and I am not afraid to admit it. I will also admit that I have seen what you are talking about, you know, EarRapes and MLG songs, but not everyone is fucking 6. Removing the game is just childish as fuck. You MASS-FLAGGED the game. That's like saying in relation to GD players, "All Black Men are thugs and robbers and all Black Women are gold-diggers and cheaters." Which we know is not true.

Actually, I have found NewGrounds way before I started playing Geometry Dash, and I started playing Geometry Dash in 2014.

Replying to everyone with valid points going against you saying "Ah, well, you know. Let the hate flow through you and shit. It's not like it matters. You're wrong." Shows how much you can't take what is different.

"RobTop doesn't fucking care about musicians like us." If that's true, then why did RobTop sign a contract with NewGrounds, as well as those musicians like Jumper express their love onto GD Streams? If RobTop didn't care, he probably wouldn't of made a contract with NG, and you guys never would've fucking gained popularity.

Oh, and those who still have the game installed can still play. Removing the game from the App Store, Play Store, and Steam makes it so you ruin a whole community. It's just pathetic.

Also, Geometry Dash Creators use most of the songs from the artists you talk about. Without these songs there would be no fucking GD. And you guys wouldn't of gained popularity.

To end it off, I can't get over the fucking fact that you tried to trash a game with more than 1 million people, if not more, playing it. You're an asshole. And if you have a problem with something, fucking confront RobTop and NewGrounds Mods about it. You don't fucking make us start a riot with you. Asshole.

Please only upload your own original work!
http://img.ngfiles.com/misc/GeometryDashNotice.jpg

I can understand how toxic the GD community can be, as I'm apart of it, but I don't think the right approach was to mass flag the store page. But don't think I disagree, the people uploading songs they don't own are not only polluting the Newgrounds audio portal, but are making the rest of us look bad. A better way to have solved this problem would be to contact RobTop and discuss your concerns, and figure it out from there. I'm sorry for the problems GD has caused you all, but I think you guys were a little too harsh.

We did try for 3 years wih no joy whatsoever, as RealFactjon mentioned.

fuck you

I think we've reached the stage where it's the unreasonable GD players who are posting here to vent, as they can't be bothered to read up on anything that has gone before.

Geometry Dash people, if you want to post a response, it would look a lot better for your community if you are civil like Purpaidh-Na-Gao.

I have no sympathy for users like Necrocubik or Panik-Blizzard.

I have no sympathy for the vast majority of users who have vented on this post. Quite frankly, given the way they treated NG and now are treating me (death / rape / doxxing threats, plus one person came to Skype to bully me into submission, which I resisted)... I think they brought this upon themselves.

wait guys do you realize the steam thing doesnt have anything to do with newgrounds ?

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